Monday, December 24, 2007

La Nina & The Ice Bowl

As mentioned in a Long Range Discussion by the NWS Buffalo Forecast Office Sunday, we are now into a strengthened La Nina. That colder phase of sea surface temperatures in the eastern tropical Pacific favors a dominantly strong Pacific flow into the western U.S. The current strength of La Nina is likely to produced a more dominant longer wave trough of low pressure over the interior of the western U.S. That, in turn, tends to pump up a ridge of high pressure over the SE, creating more of a SWly flow aloft over the plains, midwest, Great Lakes and NE. Under that kind of regime, lengthy arctic outbreaks in our part of the country become difficult to establish with so much of the lower 48 covered in airmasses of Pacific origin. We can get short outbreaks, as in the backlash behind Sunday's major storm system passing north of the Lakes, but Pacific air returns in fairly short over.

Between now and December 31, daytime high temperatures will run above freezing, and temperatures will average above normal. That doesn't mean the Ice Bowl in danger; nightime low temps should be cold enough for conditioning of the ice. There are early signs of a short and sharp cold outbreak around Jan 1-2. It's too early to tell if that outbreak will arrive to chill out the game and its fans, or wait until after the game.

41 Comments:

OpenID afinogenovm said...

Don do u think there will still be more storms or lake effect snow to come for the rest of winter or will it mostly be rain snow mix and do you see any signs of it weakining later as we go throgh the winter??????- Adam from Hamburg

December 24, 2007 9:22 PM  
Blogger Don Paul said...

Yes, there'll be more snow and occasional lake snow--just not much this week.

December 24, 2007 10:23 PM  
OpenID afinogenovm said...

ok thanks. I know this will probaly be a hard qustion to answer but ,Do you have a possible week or month that you see lake erie freezing over, if it would??? Also Don sometimes you do this sometimes you don't but i think you should put a grapic on the news when a snow event is coming like Marry Beth had yesterday night on the 10 and 11 oclock news.I like how the projected accumulations were shaded in and as you look on the map all you have to do is find the shaded color your part of the rejion is.Im sure you know what im talking about.And MB said from the northern southtowns to the Genesse valley to the north towns will see 3-8 inches. I think that makes it a lot easier for viewers to understand. I think you know what im talking about. Thanks 4 evrything and your relley makeing you forcast's right on the money.Thanks and hope you have a good Christmass:::)))-Adam from Hamburg

December 24, 2007 10:56 PM  
Blogger Don Paul said...

As for the Ice Bowl, tonight's indicators are that it will be cold enough in the nights preceding to get ice conditioned. In addition, there may be a limited general snowfall on Monday/Monday night in advance of a 2-3 day sharp cold outbreak developing during New Years Day. New Years Eve looks to be Chilly & Breezy. Some snow showers will be possible during the game, with falling temperatures, and some midwinter cold by Wednesday--but with the aforementioned La Nina--I wouldn't expect the cold outbreak to last long. Moderating temps will probably be back before the next weekend.

Merry Christmas to everyone!

December 24, 2007 11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

**Merry Christmas!!** Thanks for another great year of weather forecasting!

December 24, 2007 11:46 PM  
Blogger strbuk said...

Happy Holidays to the great forecasters at Channel 4, thanks for your dedication, time and for this blog!!

str

December 25, 2007 9:48 AM  
Blogger Ayuud said...

here is the forecast for the next 15 days

Tuesday, Dec 25 Clouds yielding to some sun Low: 28 °F High: 36 °F Wednesday, Dec 26 Partly sunny Low: 28 °F High: 42 °F Thursday, Dec 27 Mostly cloudy, a snow shower Low: 29 °F High: 40 °F Friday, Dec 28 Chance of afternoon rain Low: 35 °F High: 46 °F Saturday, Dec 29 A bit of morning rain Low: 28 °F High: 40 °F Sunday, Dec 30 Cold with a wintry mix Low: 27 °F High: 34 °F
Monday, Dec 31 Cloudy and seasonably cold Low: 24 °F High: 34 °F
Tuesday, Jan 1 Cold with snow at times Low: 19 °F High: 31 °F
Wednesday, Jan 2 Colder with snow Low: 9 °F High: 23 °F
Thursday, Jan 3 Clouds, flurries; frigid Low: 10 °F High: 20 °F
Friday, Jan 4 Very cold with snow Low: 21 °F High: 22 °F Saturday, Jan 5 Cloudy and warmer Low: 26 °F High: 34 °F
Sunday, Jan 6 Snow; rain mixing in Low: 29 °F High: 41 °F
Monday, Jan 7 Rather cloudy Low: 30 °F High: 38 °F
Tuesday, Jan 8 Mostly cloudy Low: 28 °FHigh: 39 °F



have a merry chrismas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

December 25, 2007 10:49 AM  
OpenID marinecore3008 said...

Dear Mr. Don,

looks like a storm heads our way by early next week or this weekend. could that cold spell bring lake effect. although the model i saw brought nnw winds becoming west, of course this is way out there. it seems kinda like last year just i don't think lake erie will hit 40 in january. but now that winter is gonna be warm for a while i hope the ski resorts don't fall behind again. o well there will be other winters. btw you guys nailed hte lake effect almost perfect yesterday, nice job.
MERRY CHRISTMAS Mr. Don

December 25, 2007 12:11 PM  
Blogger Ayuud said...

hey don i think the cpc saw the ecmwf model and they are putting us in the heavy snow are

here is what they said

"FOR FRIDAY DECEMBER 28 - SUNDAY DECEMBER 30: A STRONG STORM IS EXPECTED TO BE MOVING UP THE TENNESSEE AND OHIO VALLEYS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS FORECAST PERIOD, BRINGING HEAVY RAIN TO PARTS OF THE SOUTHEAST. THIS RAIN, WHICH WILL BRING SOME DROUGHT RELIEF, COULD CAUSE FLOODING AS THE WATER IS UNABLE TO SOAK INTO THE DRY, HARD GROUND. AS THE STORM MAKES ITS WAY TOWARDS THE GREAT LAKES, THERE IS SOME MODEL-TO-MODEL DISAGREEMENT AS TO ITS EVOLUTION. SOME OF THE GFS RUNS, AS WELL AS THE 0Z ECMWF, HAVE A RELATIVELY WEAK SYSTEM TRANSFERRING ITS ENERGY TO A COASTAL SYSTEM, SPREADING HEAVY SNOW TO A GOOD PORTION OF NEW ENGLAND. OTHER GFS RUNS HAVE THE SYSTEM MAINTAIN ITS STRENGTH IN THE OHIO VALLEY, SPREADING HEAVY SNOW TO PARTS OF THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY AND GREAT LAKES. BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT WITH THE ECMWF, THE FORMER SOLUTION IS FAVORED AT THIS TIME. IN ADDITION, STRONG ZONAL FLOW OFF THE EASTERN PACIFIC IS EXPECTED TO LEAD TO SIGNIFICANT PRECIPITATION FOR THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. HOWEVER, MODEL QPF AMOUNTS HAVE BEEN DECREASING EACH DAY, AND AT THIS TIME, NO HAZARDOUS PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED."

what do u think don?

i prefer the gfs solution

December 25, 2007 4:35 PM  
Blogger Don Paul said...

I'm off, Ayuud. So I'm not going to be delving into models on Christmas.

I suggest you watch MB for your weather fix, and try to enjoy the holiday.

December 25, 2007 5:12 PM  
Anonymous weatherfreak said...

hey don the 18z gfs is showing three storms

1-thursday : a storm that is currently located at west will move and be joined by alberta clippper and then provide u with some light to moderate snow

2-saturday:a storm from our south will track north toward our area and give us a brief warm up and some rain after that heavy snow

3-sunday-monday:a nor'easter is possile but this run it takes it to way to the coast but earlier runs like the ewmcf model indicate it to track to the ohio valley

December 25, 2007 5:31 PM  
Anonymous tony said...

a cold outbreak will be possible during next week


the models have been showing this quiet some time

the -20c line over our area


omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

December 25, 2007 5:34 PM  
Anonymous WeatherFreak said...

hey ayuud check the 18z gfs a cold outbreak is coming next week

the lake effect machine will kick in and provide us with significant lake effect snow possible

the -20c line is down to our area


a cold bias is coming


have a great holiday everyone!!!!!!!!!!

December 25, 2007 5:40 PM  
Blogger Ayuud said...

holly molly is that true what im seeing because that is called cold outbreak

-20c down to north east

-10c all the way down to tennesse

0c down to florida


and the gfs is showing significant lake snow for our area


omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!

December 25, 2007 5:43 PM  
Blogger TheGeneral said...

The latest GFS run shows a low setting the stage for another possible lake effect event heading into New Years and just in time for the Ice Bowl.

Still WAY to early for any of us to get excited yet, but should be watched. After the warmup late this week, a low looks to scoot right across the northern lakes, bringing in a decent chunk of artic air and a W-SW wind flow. Personally I'm holding off until the NAM picks up this potential setup in the next few days and/or if the GFS even keeps this setup going.

December 25, 2007 6:33 PM  
OpenID marinecore3008 said...

hmmmm lake effect would be good but not in orchard park for the ice bowl. if it snows too hard it has to get moved into an alternative place so that wouldn't be good. if it were to get cold that would be awesome. mayb x-mas break could be extended, that would be cool. though i wouldn't count on it. forecasts are very changeable.

December 25, 2007 8:36 PM  
Anonymous what about op? said...

Merry Christmas to everyone on this blog and to everyone working at Channel 4!! You guys have done an amazing job and you definitely deserve a break, so enjoy the holidays!

December 25, 2007 9:00 PM  
Blogger Mary Beth Wrobel said...

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December 25, 2007 9:46 PM  
Blogger Mary Beth Wrobel said...

Merry Christmas, Fellow Bloggers! Well, a lot of changes lined up through the rest of the holiday period. First, a significant warming trend that will occur between now and the end of the week...yes, melting snow...a wintry mix Thursday..and even some rain in our forecast on Friday. The weekend itself apprears to be getting colder, and as Don had mentioned in previous posts, the nights leading up to the big game will be cold enough to make ice at the Ralph. What's really interesting is happening on New Year's Eve day..there's evidence of a cold front pushing through with some general widespread snow, then turning sharply colder for New Year's Day. It's definitely much too early to pinpoint lake effect for that game, so don't bother asking right now. However, as it stands currently, the weather will be cold enough BOTH during the day and at night going into the start of '08. Hope everyone's enjoying the holiday! Cheers, MBW

December 25, 2007 9:49 PM  
OpenID afinogenovm said...

Hey guys i need to know this from the experts.I've just recived the Wmr100 for christmass. It has evrything in it, a raingauge , awind senser andthe temp/ humidity ect. I would like to know were to put my wind sensor as well as my raingauge. do u reconmend the roof and do u thimk i should put the raingauge on a stand??I'd relley like to know what to do.Thanks Marry Christmass:::))))))))))))))))))))))-From Adam

December 25, 2007 11:06 PM  
Anonymous Marshall Stack said...

Sounds like a cool Christmas gift. I know you didn't ask me, but I wouldn't put any of that stuff on the roof, unless you want to be climbing ladders in weather like we had Sunday night just to get your information.

If you have a deck, maybe you could attach them there.

December 26, 2007 8:47 AM  
Anonymous Ayuud said...

sup guys

hey afinogenovm what a great gift u had for chrismas the wmr100

i got the manual setup for the wmr100

here it is

http://www.oregonscienitific.com/assets/manuals2/WMR100_QSG_final.pdf


Enjoy!!!!!!!!

December 26, 2007 9:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coastal Storm finishes up this week as I mentioned in my earlier posts...Freezing rain inland..
Couple storms coming over the Great Lakes.. Should bring abundant snows.. Could be measured in feet...I'm not sure if I agree with this but this is what I read today.

December 26, 2007 10:45 AM  
Blogger Don Paul said...

Still off today, gang. It's kind of amusing to look at this blog, see a calm analysis from Mary Beth Wrobel, and then see some wild-eyed posts following as if that meteorologist had never posted.

A few of you really need to cool your jets. Weather is science, science requires careful thought and analysis, and WORK (called education). I think some newcomers might be steered away from this blog when they eye some of the childish blather about "feet of snow" and silly speculation about monster storms.

Yes, weather is FUN, too--I know. That's what got me into it. But having fun doesn't mean tossing aside what a few of you have no patience for--UNCERTAINTY. Please go back and read my blog on that subject. It is part and parcel of operational meteorology.

December 26, 2007 11:39 AM  
OpenID jcaleb17 said...

Thanks Don. I've learned from the few past years of trying to predict the weather that the only real way to know what is going on is to watch Channel 4 (and now 23). You guys always get it right and don't send the area into a unecessary panic. Hey, we all make mistakes but your team definitely limits them.

With that said it does appear that our weather pattern in the next week or so will be pretty active. I'll be listening intently to your forecasts, espically before I head out to the ICE BOWL!! GO SABRES!!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!!

December 26, 2007 11:52 AM  
Anonymous Ayuud said...

don


i have an idea u should make a forum like this http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?

instead of this blog and if someone doesnt know about the weather like some people around here they get weenie tagged that means they cant post but they can read.


what do u think?

December 26, 2007 12:34 PM  
OpenID afinogenovm said...

Thanks guys for the advice but i live in a enclosed town/Hamburg and theres a lot of houses that can stir the wind in all diffrant direction but im looking to put it on my grage roof it isnt that high tho so i ant setting it up untill friday but do u think the snow will have anyeffect on the wind sensor.Will it freez it????Thanks guys-Adam From Hamburg

December 26, 2007 12:37 PM  
Anonymous Ayuud said...

ask don he is the expert

December 26, 2007 12:40 PM  
Anonymous Marshall Stack said...

What does your "wind sensor" look like? Is it like a windsock, or does it spin to indicate windspeed like an anemometer? I can't imagine snowfall having any adverse effect on either one, although an ice storm with little wind may cause it to ice up, I suppose.

Sounds like a high-tech kit! When I was a kid, I had a kit that had a cloud chart, a little index-size chart to calculate wind chill (not much use where I lived in WV), and instructions on how to make a barometer from a mason jar and a balloon. I guess that was high tech 25 years ago! The barometer worked pretty well, by the way!

December 26, 2007 12:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Fello Bloggers...
An education in science starts with units. Maybe they measure in half foots... Like 1/4 ft..
I had to laugh the other day.
A meteorologist had 5"
for Tonawanda on the screen and then verbally reported that Tonwanda had nearly a "half foot of snow". She said it with big emphasis on the half foot. This sounded wierd.. So I guess it is not wrong to say that snow is measured by the foot with any upcoming storms.......
Science starts with UNITS..
I wish we were using Metric... My foot may be smaller than yours.

December 26, 2007 3:33 PM  
OpenID marinecore3008 said...

hmmmm, weathers like a game, mother nature is always gotta keep us guessing. kinda her way of keeping us on our heels and putting us in our place. just showa that we have to be prepared for anything. look at last october.
o well games are fun.
Happy New Year to all!

December 26, 2007 4:18 PM  
Anonymous lakeshadow said...

I would like to know how to make a barometer using a mason jar and a balloon. Sounds like a fun project for the kids...(and for me) besides, my kitty barometer (my cat) works very effectively but she only tells me when the pressure's dropping dramatically...
so if anyone could post a URL that would lead me to instructions, that would be great!
Hope everyone had a safe and happy christmas.

December 26, 2007 7:18 PM  
OpenID afinogenovm said...

Its a anemometer. It has the temp. and evrything except the rain gauge in it. Rain gauge is hooked up sepratly.Thanks guys and i've got a qustion. How do you measure the windchill???Is it the combanation of the temp and the wind speed thanks:::::::::))))))))))-Adam from Hamburg

December 26, 2007 10:56 PM  
Blogger Ayuud said...

the wind chill factor, a measure of the cooling effect of wind. The rate at which a body loses heat increases due to the wind, so the air on a windy day feels cooler than the temperature indicated by a thermometer. This heat loss can be calculated for various combinations of windspeed and air temperature and then converted to a windchill equivalent temperature (or wind chill factor)

December 27, 2007 7:16 AM  
Anonymous Marshall Stack said...

I believe the way wind chill is calculated was changed sometime within the past ten years or so, so even if I still had the chart I mentioned previously, it's no longer correct.

As far as the homemade barometer, you just stretch a small balloon over the top of an empty jar (take the lid off first!), then either glue or tape a drinking straw to the balloon so that the straw sticks out over the edge of the jar. As the air pressure changes, the straw will go up or down, indicating higher or lower pressure. I'm quoting from memory here, but I think that's how I made it. If I can find directions on the Internet, I'll post the website.

December 27, 2007 8:24 AM  
Anonymous Marshall Stack said...

Clarification: In my last comment, I meant to say to afinogenovm that you're correct about windchill. The formula they use to combine wind and temperature is what was changed. I'm sure one of the professionals from WIVB can shed more light on it.

Also, my bad knees have replaced my old homemade barometer. Can't walk? Storm's a-comin! :)

December 27, 2007 8:30 AM  
Blogger Don Paul said...

Just Google "NWS Wind Chill Index" and that will take you right to it, with the revisions in the index (the old one was proven to be too cold).

Forget about calculating yourself. The equations fill a page, and no one uses them.

The Wind Chill index is often referred to as "feels like," but that's not entirely accurate. To someone shoveling snow and working up a sweat, a wind chill reading of -10 is not going to "feel like" -10 would feel to someone waiting for a bus. What it actually measures is how much heat is lost from exposed skin at an equivalent temperature with calm winds. In other words, a temperature of 22 with a wind chill temperature of -10 would be the equivalent in heat removal capacity to -10 with no wind.

December 27, 2007 9:26 AM  
Anonymous Marshall Stack said...

Ok, here it is: http://www.home-weather-stations-guide.com/make-a-barometer.html

It looks like a lot of neat stuff on this site!

December 27, 2007 9:27 AM  
Blogger Ayuud said...

hey don

can u delete the "next blog" button on the upper side it takes u to some inapropiate sites



thanks.

December 27, 2007 11:58 AM  
OpenID afinogenovm said...

Thanks evryone.News 4=#1 Adam from Hamburg

December 27, 2007 12:36 PM  
OpenID afinogenovm said...

And ithink its relley good how all of us have used our emails to indicate that its relley us. Andd theres also a few people that dont but we know who they are.

December 27, 2007 12:39 PM  

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