Wintry Week
but not a terribly snowy one--even though there will be the threat of snow showers at least Mon-Wed. Moisture will be quite limited on Monday, but a reinforcing surge of arctic air arriving for Tuesday and Wednesday will increase the snow showers from time to time. Lake snow off L Erie, or course, is limited by the extensive ice cover.
A nasty wind chill will be with us into Tuesday evening. The coldest temperatures will arrive for Wednesday, but winds will be somewhat lighter on that day, making the well below normal temperatures easier to take.
There are signs of a moderating pattern change arriving for the weekend.
A nasty wind chill will be with us into Tuesday evening. The coldest temperatures will arrive for Wednesday, but winds will be somewhat lighter on that day, making the well below normal temperatures easier to take.
There are signs of a moderating pattern change arriving for the weekend.
posted by Don Paul at
11:58 AM
205 Comments:
Thanks for the new thread, Don.
And so our roller coaster winter continues...
Anyone know how this all might affect the upcoming white water rafting season? I can imagine the snow and ice melt wont be so abundant once March arrives, making the rapids more tame?
anyone have insight?
thanks!
I just watched Mike's forecast. He had wind gusts of 35 MPH posted for today, then I believe he had gusts of 45+ MPH for tonight. So it will be even windier tonight that it is now? Pressure gradients again to cause this? I thought once the cold front came through, it would calm down a bit but it seems it will get even worse, wind wise.
Windspeeds are going to remain in the same range this afternoon as they were this AM, and may actually increase a little.
In the eastern Great Lakes, winds tend to increase behind a cold front in the cold weather season, as the cold, dense arctic air rushes in behind the cold front and its prefrontal pressure falls where were, in this case, associated with a vigorous storm system.
sabresfan; At this point, streams and creeks are running high from last night's snowmelt, along with moderate rain which fell. There isn't much snow cover left to cause other rapid rises this week. However, March is often a stormy month, so don't count this winter entirely out just yet....
Im sick of winter, bring warm weather to us. Everyone I see seems so depressed because of it being cold and nasty day in and day out. We need Vitamin D from the sun. Supply us some please! Im ready for nice walks on the beach, swimming, playing outdoor sports, picnics, camping, etc...!!!
rich,
As much as I look forward to winter, this kind of pattern gets old more quickly.
I'm afraid that a real springlike pattern just doesn't have much of a chance around the Great Lakes so early in the season (but then you knew that, right?). The pattern which looks to be shaping up by Sunday (Saturday will likely be chilly, but Sunday we move into a more zonal pattern with Pacific airmasses replacing the arctic airmasses) will still have some real variability to them--rathern than a dramatic springlike turn.
At least I got to take our puppies for a long walk yesterday, in the rain and on snowy turf. I wasn't crazy about the wx, but they seemed very happy for it to be milder--for a day.
Ya, it definitely does get old quickly. Yeah I know its still only Feb. 18th, much to early to be consistently warm day in and out. But even a few days every month of 50+ and maybe some sun! would be amazing. I looked on NWS they said its changing to a more zonal flow which is awesome, more pacific shots of warmer air. Cant wait! When is the usually turn around to consistently warmer weather? I remember many times march can do that, but also many times cold air and snowstorms. 50 degrees and sunny is what I consider spring when is that coming! thanks!
In like a lion...
Don- In all honesty, it is "in-between" and un-eventful weather like this that gets old real fast! Its not cold, but its not warm. There's a few snowflakes but it doesnt add up to much. I cant stand this kind of weather lol! Nothing exciting seems to be happening in the weather department... we've gone through just about the whole winter with one weather event after another. Now, I may be crazy, but Im longing for more. We're not used to this calm "in-between" weather, we need something exciting to look forward to, and it looks as though there wont be anything any time soon! It also looks as though we're going to enter a gradual warming trend throught the next week to week and a half where the temps will be in the upper 30's to low 40's... sounds like a calm period to percist?!
-Jim
I know that Kiss 98.5 has some sort of a deal with WIVB for weather up-dates in the morning. Mike gives the weather on Kiss in the morning. Now Star 102.5 (which is under the same management as Kiss [Entercom Communication]) gets their weather up-dates from WGRZ throughout the day. Why wouldnt WIVB just do the weather for Star and Kiss? ...their owned by the same company. I understand why WKBW gives their weather up-dates on 96.1 WJYE, because their owned by a different company (Regient Broadcasting) It just doesnt make all to much sense. And besides, I'd much rather get a forecast I can count on (WIVB) throughout the day, and not have to listen to Chesley and Kevin guess whether or not the sun will come out. *Adam
Yea, thats true! I think WIVB should get into the radio weather casting scene more. Meaning, I think Don, MB, Mike and Lindsay should give forecasts to more WNY radio stations, that would be great! Im not too sure how that whole thing works out though, maybe Don knows. It would be neat if WIVB could strike a deal with Star, Kiss, WJYE... etc. It's becoming ever so popular these days for radio stations to get their forecasts and on-air updates from the local TV news station.
Hey Jim,
I agree that the temps aren't that cold today, but try walking puppies in that wind! THEY thought it was midwinter, and so did I (need a new jacket, I guess).
The longer term outlook is not all that much of a high confidence one. Lots of short waves--warming not that extreme to begin with. I'm not saying we're in for a lengthy cold spell, other than this week's colder-than-average temps now setting in--just saying there'll be ups and downs.
Adam,
I can't figure out radio either. Last time I did was quite a few years ago, for WBEN. The live AM updates were a bear for sleeping habits, but it was fun. AccuWeather replaced me in a corporate, finance-based decision.
I think WIVB should be the sole provider of weather for the Entercom radio stations over in Corp Parkway. However news radio 930 has their own fleet of mets I think (Dr. Joe Sobel might be one of them?) So, it would mainly be for Star, Kiss... some of the two most popular WNY FM radio stations.
*Adam
WGRZ does weather updates every half an hour on the week days when Star has the news breaks. I only hear Mike in the morning on Kiss. Why doesnt WIVB do weather updates throughout the day on Kiss? It would be a good start! Im sure it all has to do with money issues...
WBEN's mets are AccuWeather, out of State College, PA.
Ohh, you know what, I think I new that too... it makes sense. All Im saying is that it would be awsome if WIVB got into the whole radio scene more, in terms of weather updates... Get a hold on WTSS and WKSE, and I bet it would make a lot of people happy... let alone Im sure it would boost your ratings even more!
*Adam
Haha Don, you must have it easy in the weather center tonight! Not much happening :(
You have all the time in the world to add in those pretty graphics in the extended outlook, Ex... Windy, pres day flag etc lol!
Enjoy the calmness!
-Chris
I find it funny the Weather channel just changed their forecast for the "Local on the 8's" for us. It says 'snow' and wind for tomorrow, with 1-3 inches of snow. For some reason or another, I dont think Amherst will even get an inch.
Well anonymous, this is what the NWS is saying for Amherst for tomorrow. Might I add this was just updated also.
Tuesday: Snow showers likely, mainly before noon. Cloudy, with a high near 24. Breezy, with a west wind between 22 and 26 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.
I went on wunderground.com and they say pretty much the same thing for N. Erie
Tuesday
Cloudy. Snow showers likely in the morning...tapering off to scattered snow showers in the afternoon. Accumulation 1 to 3 inches. Windy with highs in the mid 20s. Southwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts to 35 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.
But its Don's forecast I want to hear. What he say's is what I go with! Matt
Must agree the winter scene does look a tad drab and dreary after the rain. Mind you, if I could have bottled Saturday's deep blue sky and sunshine to open on a day like this it would be great.
In Ontario, we are having the first ever Family Day--and it is a day off for workers(unless you work for the fed. government). How to make the most of it--went snowshoeing(never done that before) and snow tubing with the kids. Takes the edge off the drab. I don't mind what looks like more settled pattern later in the week. I am sure you don't mind either Don.
The thing about radio and even TV news is that its run by BROADCASTERS and not scientists...so that affects the quality of information you get. I wish we could pick our meteorologists that we hear over the airwaves, free expression and all of that. (in the pursuit of higher ratings!)
Any accumulations will be Spotty. We don't know the current status of ice cover and the remaining hole over part of ern L Erie due to extensive ice cover.
Can anyone, including the last anonymous poster who wrote it, tell me what that "run by BROADCASTERS" post means? Just curious since, on the face of it, the post doesn't seem to make any sense in the case of meteorologists.
Speaking of a "Wintry Week", as Don titled this post, there's a very heartwarming article on the science page of yesterday (Sunday's) Buffalo News on Page H6. It's a story of the Cal-Tech Physics Chair who pursues his boyhood fascination with snowflakes by studying how they grow...fun reading for weather gurus especially!
Currently, I have the possibility of a general snowfall for Friday, based primarily on the operational GFS and European depictions for that time period. But I can only have it as a possibility as of this evening because the Navy NOGAPS has a system going west of us again, bringing us into warm advection (as has been the case so many times this winter), and the Canadian GEM has quite an opposite solution, taking the system too far south and east to have any real impact on our region.
Even in the GFS and European, there are no signs yet of a heavy snow accumulation potential.
Incidentally, in using a model blend to make a forecast, I don't give the Navy model an equal weight with the other models I've mentioned here. It's track record, for a number of reasons, is simply not as good.
Now, add to the "con" models on Friday snow the 00z NAM, which--like the Canadian GEM--keeps that low too far to the south for much, if any, snow. On the other hand, that's a colder track, so if the NAM nudges the track a little north in subsequent runs, that would be an all snow scenario.
The NAM, a higher resolution model than the global GFS and European, does not have the best track record that far out in time, so we'll leave the "?" on the Friday snow potential for tonight.
DON! I cant tell you how much it pained me to hear you say Amherst and Clarence are missing out on a major LES event! Ohhh man!! I want to cry! Someone who has a plane and dinomyte, fly your plane over lake Erie and drop the TNT and break up the ice lol! Haha, can you tell I like snow, and that I live in Amherst?
Haha!! I feel bad for the sports blog. Whats that tell you Don? Not one comment on the sports blog, and the weather blog is through the roof! Who would have thought? Keep up the awesome work Don! I think this weather blog is a whole lot more than anyone at WIVB thought it would be... I love it! And Im starting to swear by it! I read it more than I comment/ post. But I can only guess how many hits the weaher blog page gets. The weather blog is what I go to first when I go to wivb.com... I dont even go to the "weather page" first anymore.
Thanks, last poster. Actually, you'll still find a more detailed forecast at wivb.com on the weather page, and on Channel 4 Weatherline at 844-4444. The blog is intended as a hopefully valuable "extra" in our weather coverage.
The sports blog is more conditional as to what's controversial in local sports lately--I know Dennis had a piece about 10 days ago that had tremendous response.
As for weather, if you check around this blog appears to be the only active one in the media neighborhood with many threads and many comments, so we thank you for your enthusiastic participation.
By the way, when weather quiets down, we'll try to keep it interesting with instructive threads on some of the topics we just don't have time to deal with on the air.
Don,this weather blog is awesome. As a lifelong resident,our winters are pretty much dominated by what the weather will be like.It's great to have people who know this and have a passion for giving us the most detailed and ACCURATE forcasts. Thanks!
Don and Company this Blog is really great. I get excited thinking about having a look to see what's doing every day. I too have lived here all my life and our weather is a huge part of who we are. It seems people in other parts of the country have a hard time figuring us all out sometimes. Our climate shapes who we are and we are a bunch of hard nuts to crack. Jolly good, Carry on News 4 Team!
Snow beats mud hands down. I delight in a good, crisp, snowy day. Finally we have had some weather I call good although that rain was a big drag last night. I find I really need to watch news 4 to keep up with all the twists and turns this winter. Its a real grab bag every week.
It looks like the LES band that Super MicroCast was predicting last night has indeed come true. I guess there's enough open water on Lake Erie after all. The NWS LES warning calls for up to 12" total (7" today and 5" tonight). The way it was snowing this morning in Colden, that estimate seems low. Colden at 6:30am was the worst LES I've driven through this season. (Though this was probably compounded by "surprised" snow plow operators emerging late.)
Hey Don...I too love the blog and read it daily. The comments left by Jim and Rich about how long winter is and the lack of sun prompted me to spend the extra $ to extend my upcoming Florida stay. I will stay up on the WNY weather by logging in from the sunny south. As a business owner, it is amazing how the lack of sunshine affects people's moods and demeanor, and consequently, their desire to spend money. I am going to run away from it for awhile! Keep those puppies warm!
Wow i can't see a thing here in boston, what happened? The lake effect band isn't even forming over the lake it's formin gover the hills.
Thanks for all the kudos, folks.
As for the LES Warnings, (with the benefit of hindsight, since I was asleep when they were issued), it looks like the band has become disorganized, so I'm not convinced the Warning will verify. This late in the winter, the stronger sun can play havoc with bands, breaking them up into convective cells with a hit or miss quality. It looked they were coming together surprisingly well earlier this AM, but that's definitely not the case at 11am.
They may become better organized after dark again. One thing favoring that is that Super Microcast did create a decent looking band for that time period.
How's the Friday "weather event" looking? Still the same?
I guess there's not as much ice on Lake Erie as we thought, hense the unexpected LES warning.
Can you explain why or even how the local on the 8's on the weather channel is calling for 1-3 inches of snow tonight, and another 2-4 tomorrow? When The most I've heard we could get is a dusting to an inch... espicially here in the n. towns? No human input there lol!
Actually, it does look there's as much ice as previously thought. However, the opening in the ern lake and what's called frictional convergence over the rough piles of ice near the opening are sufficient to get some lake effect going. The lake snow this afternoon will remain disorganized much of the time due to daytime sunshine, as I previously noted. There will be on and off bursts of snow, and near whiteout conditions on some N-S roads, especially in open country.
After we lose the sunlight, I would expect the lake snow to reorganize tonight, with more consistent accumulations redeveloping in the more persistent band.
I can't answer your question about TWC. NWS' HPC also didn't project organized lake snow w/potential mod or hvy accum for us. If the lake were open, this would have been an easier to predict metro area/northtowns event. As the BUF NWS correctly noted in a discussion yesterday (good call on their part) the opening "changes the shape" of the lake for purposes of converging moisture. Despite boundary layer winds of 240-250 degrees, the snow is developing where you'd normally expect a 255-260 degree bndry lyr wind to have its effects.
Still another in a series of unusually tough calls this winter....
Don, to clarify, what I'm saying is that the mets that are given spots on radio stations are selected by the people who have communications and broadcasting degrees....not science or meteorology degrees.
The broadcasters are interested in ratings, not accuracy in forecasts. You cant count on radio or TV news to provide the most important stories, just the ones that get the viewers/listeners to tune in (according to some unattached program director)...Unless of course the "broadcaster" is actual;ly a scientist like yourself...but as we all know not all weather reports on news media in this town are presented through science.
The important stories and accurate forecasts are discovered by those who are interested in truth and accuracy in their news and weather. One must be proactive to get correct and dependable information. To simply allow Mr. Clueless J. Program Director to spoon feed you your news and weather is a foolish thing to do!!!
I'm glad WIVB has invested in scientists to communicate the weather...unlike others...
Last anonymous--that issue pops up in quite a few tv markets.
Some basic principles: No station is going to toss aside a popular non meteorologist who has a good track record in delivering the numbers, since this is a business. i.e., It would have been crazy for WKBW to push Tom Jolls out the door, because people liked him, and channel 7's viewers trusted him.
A meteorologist must be a good and likeable communicator. There is a myth perpetrated by some stations that good communicating, personable mets are hard to find, so that's why they go with non-mets. That's nonsense. It may have been true a few decades ago, but it's not true anymore.
"We all get the same data." I hear that one often, but most nonmets have no clue as to how to read and interpret that data. It's just a disingenuous phrase they like to drop, talking about models they don't look at or understand to begin with. That slows things down during fast-breaking severe weather episodes. "We all just read the forecast." More nonsense; mets prepare their own forecasts, with more insight as to the needs of the audience. Some nonmets in other markets have become very knowledgeable and actually have good forecasting skills, but that takes great initiative to learn about the science over the years. On the other hand, some nonmets dabble in forecasting when they lack any background or specific knowledge. Those are the folks who SHOULD be reading the NWS forecast, rather than making things up as they go along. On occasion, people like that can become a hazard to the public during major wx situations.
There are many, many tv markets where this controversy doesn't exist. Boston has had professional mets since the beginning of tv, and that audience knows the difference. Minneapolis, Kansas City, Tampa, Raleigh, Washington DC, and many other markets have made the transition from nonmets to mets, to name only a few. And just try putting a nonmet on the air in tornado alley. It won't happen, and shouldn't happen.
Wow Don! That was one heavy snow band that just went through Amherst! White outs all over!
"As the BUF NWS correctly noted in a discussion yesterday (good call on their part) the opening "changes the shape" of the lake for purposes of converging moisture. Despite boundary layer winds of 240-250 degrees, the snow is developing where you'd normally expect a 255-260 degree bndry lyr wind to have its effects."
This makes things clearer. I was wondering how the LES (albeit somewhat limited) was forecasted to stay south of the southtowns despite a SW flow.
-Matt
In addition to widespread sct snow shwrs, there are 2 somewhat better organized bands again, as of 2:20. That one, which has sunk a bit to the south, and another slightly stronger one from near Angola across the Boston Hills into Wyoming Co.
Again, lake snow may become more potent after sunset. Tough driving on N-S roads with these winds creating near whiteouts.
Don are the bands consolidating... it seems as though the one drifting by the 1-90/I-190 split is moving south toward the other stationary one near Boston? Or are their two different wind fields involved? Looking forward to your input.
Any update on friday?
Down South here in Chautauqua County near the Institution it's snowing lightly at 2:30 and some gusty winds are blowing the snow around but we also have patches of sun breaking through. Mr.Don Paul are there any other places in the world that get lake effect precipitation or even an effect from the salt water like we get here? I find I have to explain our weather to other people allot.
I know from my college years in Boston that they get Ocean Effect, especially out on the Cape. As Don eluded to, people there seemed to have a pretty good understanding and appreciation of what Lake Effect or Ocean Effect meant...
-Matt
What about by Salt Lake City? Or for that matter near any coast (Florida, etc)?
i should clarify... by florida I obviously meant rain
Thanks Matt, I wondered if salt changed the equation for this sort of thing. I live on a high hilltop and often get dumped on as the fronts move through.
chris,
The 2 bands may consolidate between 3:30 and 4:30. When you see multi-prongs on a SW flow like this, that's an indicator of some wind shear occurring in most cases.
As for Friday's system, it looks very unimpressive.
In answer to the the lake effect question, Salt Lake City occasionally gets plastered when the wind lines up with the axis of Great Salt Lake and downtown. There are orographic features there which can aid in funneling the snow into the City (big mountains just east of the City). Lake snows even occur in a very limited fashion off the Finger Lakes. It can occur anywhere there is relatively warm water with arctic air passing overhead.
The onshore flow in Florida certainly supplies moisture, and features may converge, but what typically happens there doesn't truly qualify as ocean effect unless you had an unseasonably cold arctic high off the Carolinas. In that case, I suppose, some ocean effect rain could be said to develop in FL.
Thanks Don, that is really cool that even the Finger Lakes can do this. Salt Lake City certainly has a unique set up then as well. I enjoyed reading that as that is where my Grandmother grew up.
Don, you'd think with such a unique climate that we have here in the shadow of the great lakes that mets from all over would want to set up shop here. More importantly I think that its a bit more challenging to forecast mesoscale occurances...with that, all TV and Radio "mets" should actually be "mets". In all honesty, I think the FAA should make certain of it!
pardon me...FCC...although the FAA should be interested, too...
:oP
Northern Erie and Genesee County have been placed under Lake Snow Advisory.
duh.look outside! I dont think I needed that advisory.
It's still fairly mild down here. Honestly I think we have gotten off easy down here on the PA border this season.
NWS is calling for the band to remain stationary over night before the next front goes through early tom. morning. If it remains same place over northern erie county all night. I wouldnt be surprised to see a few totals over a foot if this verifies. Warmer air, rain, and windy conditions created some openings in Lake Erie. And extremely cold air, and favorable wind direction of SW could create a single band over us for quite awhile, will see what happens.
LES Advisory for Northern Erie! Hoot Hoot! 4-6 inches *POSSIBILE* for the immediate southern and eastern burbs tonight. Too many dissapointments this season I won't hold my breath for more than an inch though. At least we won't have to worry about the ugly mix tonight.
Don any idea why the NWS is keeping the warning up for the southern tier? The NWS doesnt really say much about Chat/Catt seeing more then 2-3 inches yet they still have the warning up. I think the advisory is a good call for northern erie, but personally think they should have dropped southern erie down to an advisory and even go as far as taking Chat/Catt out of the warning/advisory category all together.
Late Afternoon: Periods of snow. High near 26. West wind around 18 mph, with gusts as high as 29 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.
Tonight: Periods of snow showers. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 13. Wind chill values as low as zero. West wind between 13 and 17 mph, with gusts as high as 29 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches possible.
Wednesday: Snow showers likely, mainly before noon. Cloudy, with a high near 21. Wind chill values as low as -2. West wind between 9 and 14 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible
Hamburg (14075 )
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/
Hmm maybe we will get nice snows in village of Hamburg
Hey The General I Think The Snow Dance That You Did For Buffalo Made Us Get A Lot Of Snow......P.S Your Snow Totals Prediction For Buffalo This Season Seems To BE Queit High...Unless There Is A Huge Nor'easter Which Dumps Around A Foot To Two Feet Of Snow I Dont See We Could Reach 105 this season but i wish if that comes true and we could beat the GSB'S CITIES AND WIN THE TITLE!!!!!!!!!
Storm Watcher,
Hey Don, I'm travelling to Rochester tomorrow, leaving here around noon, returning after 8 pm...what can I expect?...thanks
a light wind blown snow is falling in West Seneca... we have a dusting (wind doesn't make it easy to tell) in places. Seems like most of the action is to the north. Although, if the ever difficult to predict LES forecast holds up, it sounds as though the band is suppose to shift toward us before parking for a while.
ah... you don't realize how much you miss something until you haven't had it for awhile...bring on the snow!!!
ayuud, my season predicitons were all for fun, plus I was feeling a little cocky after last season hitting 2 of the cities within 2 inches of their actual snowfalls, both pure luck. Just wishful thinking we would hit 105 this year, but hey you never know what March will bring us! Glad to see people checking out the site.
Don....
Already Two Inches Have Accumilated So Far Here In West Side Of Buffalo....How Many More Inches Can I Expect? ...P'S:Do You The Buffalo Public Schools Be Closed Tommorow Due TO The Snow
The General..........
I Visit The GSB Site Daily But Whenever I Post A Comment I Dont See It On The Comment Section..... i think it is my pc but anyways who came up with this golden snowball award..was it u or patrick
One More Thing the general///
Can U Give Me The Link TO The New Forum
Storm Watcher,
Ayuud, aren't your schools already closed tomorrow for February recess?...Most suburban districts have this week off, and another week in April...
Has anyone checked the graphical 2-d on the NWS in terms of precip. Its pumping out well over an inch equivalent in southern erie with close to 3/4 of an inch in northern erie by tomorrow morning! With water/snow ratios so high because of the extreme cold...1 inch of rain could equal 20 inches of snow in this type of cold. Why is the graphical 2-d pumping out so much QPF if were only expecting 3-6. Which I personally were going to get around 4-5 probably, just seems weird to me. Thanks!
ayuud, the contest was first started by the NWS office back in the 1970's. It was lost for a while in the 90's after the Rochester NWS closed but Pat started the site back in 2003 to get interest going in the contest again. In regards to the comments, Pat screens all of the comments before he approves them to be published on the main page blog, so sometimes it might take awhile before you will see your comments on the site. As far as the forum goes, he fixed the link and you can get their again by clicking the forum link on the left side of the page.
storm watcher,,,
The Buffalo Public schools have their spring break around march
ok had 8 inches in boston. still snowing light to moderate and probably more on the way. Lake band seems very far north, a more disorganized snowband is starting to form over so. erie county.
don...
just got from outside and around 5 inches of snow has accumilated here in west side of buffalo
Right Now Very Heavy Snow I Cant Even See Outside//
Don>>>Will This Band Stay At Buffalo Overnight Because 6-12 Could Easily Accumalate During This Time Period If This Band Stays Stationary
A quick 2 inches from about 5-630 here in West Seneca (south). Still some on/off showers but not nearly as heavy as it was an hour ago.
That band really made a fast intensification and northward shift into the city and eastern burbs. Wondering how much longer it will hold together as the whole band seems to be running out of lake and drifitng right into Ontario. Going to have to see if those burst comming into so. erie keep going or maybe turn into another organized band.
Certainly looks to be an interesting night of watching the radar to see what these bands do, not the usual lake effect setup. Don, any new thinking since the 6pm update?
Don write us something please maby what we can expct and in what places right on in to tomarro morning??????Is it possible for to bands to form and combine and make a hefty snowfall rates????-Adam from Hamburg
the general:
they are short bursts but they are very intense, however between bursts it doesn't stop snowing, perhaps the band is getting better organized. The bands in general move from south to north. However i have yet to see much over Chatauqua and Cattaragus counties. I personally feel the heaviest snow totals will still be colden/boston but if the band stays on the lake Buffalo could come close.
What A 2 Mile Make A Difference....
I Was At The Downtown Area Which Is getting Dumped right now and my house just west 2 miles from the downtown area has light snow going on
don we need an update!!!!!!
Anyone From Alden Area give us some of your observation
does anybody know how much O.P. has?
Hello Ayuud..
Very heavy right now here in alden and we got about 6 inches of snow
don
why is there a warning for the southern counties because it is staying in the advisory northern areas
Who Is Using My Name To Post
Guys Ignore The Other Ayuud Because It is not me Im A member so Im Always Blue If I Post.
It Is Shame To Use Other People Name To Post With.
Guys,the winds are going to shift the snow all around but it looks like on the radar its begining to start a more stationary movement then im gessing itll shift slowly down though bufalo and into the buffalo southtowns/skicountry and sit and then weaken for a while.Trust me the nws and don know what there doing.-Adam from Hamburg
2 inches in northern OP with light snow showers (on and off).
-Matt
Wow...
Some yellows are showing up on the radar...
Don...
6 and Half Inches Here In West Side of Buffalo
Adam...
I Think U Are Right The Nws Should have put the lake effect snow warning for buffalo because its only 750 pm now and we have 6 inches of snow and the band is not showing any signs of shifting southward thru ski country i,in my opinion buffalo and the southern suburbs including hamburg would easily see accumalition between 8-12 inches by the time this whole lake effect is over
OMG the running banner says LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING for ERIE!!!!!!!!!!
is that true anomynous because i just came from the nws site and they still had the lake effect snow advisroy for buffalo still
it's a warning for all of erie, genesee, wyoming, chaq, and catt. counties. a total of a foot in southern areas and 10 inches in that narrow band. hamburg appears to be in between the bands and north of the city has gotten nothing.
yup fresh off the wires... LES WARNING now for northern erie county! Another 4-8 inches overnight with 10 to possibily spotty 12 inch storm totals possible.
NWS says band will focus mainly on southern half of Buffalo and burbs such as Cheektavgas and West Seneca.
Up to about 2.5 inches here in West Seneca right near the OP boarder. Still a steady light snowfall.
OMG were is Don!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the nws said the heavyest hit areas tonight will be the Buffalo southtowns yeahhh HAmburg-Adam from Hamburg